Huge podcast today with ROY 35+ Open Champion Jim Cullen on location at Dunn Bros in Minneapolis. We talked about everything you wanted to hear about. Even better, Rookie was not at the podcast although Frye did a great impression of him. We brought back some more challenging intro music today, as always, let us know your guess in the comments to win a wonderful t-shirt.
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I saw Little Guy as I was leaving this morning. he was crossing Washington when I honked at him. He turned and gave me an icy stare. LG = One Hard Bastard.
I forgot to mention on the podcast the FGF news about the disbanding of team Cody Racing due to their inability to gain a title sponsor for the 08 season. I guess this means we’ll be seeing more of the eloquent Brian Crosby around Blaine than expected.
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 5:06 pm ¶I am as happy as the rest of the listening public that I wasn’t on this disaster of a podcast.
The music in the background would have killed me.
Results for ColdSprints are pending the operator/creator of the software.
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 5:18 pm ¶Don’t honk at cyclists. Especially in the winter.
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 5:29 pm ¶I wish they would’ve stopped talking so I could listen to the tunes playing in the background.
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 7:41 pm ¶Sorry guys I had to stop the pain about a quarter of the way in.
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 7:53 pm ¶yeah, homme and frye need to learn how to ask questions, answer it themselves, and then move on to the next question, and repeat…
Posted 30 Jan 2008 at 9:23 pm ¶keep it rolling you know?
rookie style.
Nobody has guessed the music? It’s The Bob Newhart Show.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 8:34 am ¶I know how you feel tuffy - I am huge Phill Collins fan too.
btw - jim collen/phill collins = pink floyd/wizard of oz totally, listen to it again.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 8:35 am ¶Dan I. is correct.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 8:40 am ¶Gee … thanks for the tip Ray. Maybe I could be so lucky as to get your insight into how these things they call “gears” work too.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 9:38 am ¶Frye, you could definitely use some insights. We’ll have to go for coffee.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 12:14 pm ¶Cullen said medals over Schwag? A pair of shoes or a wheel is 20 times more useful to a typical junior rider than a medal. Not every 14yr old has a pair of Zip or HED wheels!!!
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 8:49 pm ¶14 year olds need to learn what bike racing really is, and it’s not about having carbon wheels.
Posted 31 Jan 2008 at 9:41 pm ¶Jordan is 12. Ask all the
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 7:06 am ¶Jordan is 12. Ask all the under 15 MN juniors who raced in 2007, and they will all say medals over schwag. Kids have all the hats, tshirts, and socks they need.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 7:07 am ¶This was a great podcast.
Next interview should be Ray.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 8:42 am ¶My issue with ROY has never been that it is a “bad” thing because of the internal competition between riders, in fact that is “good.”
My issue with ROY, and others I speak with that agree with me, is that ROY has the ability to “king-make” events into the ‘must race’ events, without forcing these events to adapt to basic requirements to become ROY.
It is simple. ROY events should be our best events, not events that get results published 4 days afterwards etc…
That is my beef.
p.s. The number of categories is also discouraging to some promoters to even put on a ROY event. This is another issue.
Combining Masters 3/4 will solve some of the issue because it will force Master 5 riders to toughen up and race with other 5s. That was a step in the right direction.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 9:46 am ¶I dunno a trinket or the $240 shoes I won at the Bike Club TT, I’ll take the shoes thanx. Why do athletes have to be so superficial anyways? I mean look at yer kids these days. I took a speech class back in high school, we had to bring in 3 objects that ‘define you’. Half the kids in there had there trinkets from ‘State’. ITs not healthy im telling you its not all about winning its about playin the game. Thats why we’ve got such a big doping problem these people measure the little trinket as their popularity and self worth and the ones who keep going continue start to cheat or continue what theyve been up too and their the ones who get on pro teams because their the fastest ones but in the end they just dig themselves a hole like Ullrich and their not happy with life and they go through drugs and relationships like the pizza they eat everyday and get fat and retire a discrace.
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Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 11:14 am ¶Hey I’m not saying I hate medals though i still have them.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 11:27 am ¶Take a long hard look in the mirror…or just take a long walk off a short pier…
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 11:58 am ¶Do Tone and Rich ever play the Catskills together?
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 12:21 pm ¶I think Rich makes a valid point.
Still it might be best to keep it to ones self buddy.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 1:34 pm ¶Ummm, I think Rich has got it backwards. It’s the quest for money and power that corrupts the sport. Do you seriously think the pros dope to win that crappy bowl for a trophy for the TDF, or that piece of cobblestone for Paris-Roubaix? If they wanted respect and recognition only, they’d actually care about the olympics or only race for national teams. Instead, many of them just end up being slaves to corporate sponsors for their own fringe benefits. If you’re racing for the shwag only, I feel sorry for you. Have a nice day.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 2:00 pm ¶If you ain’t first, your last. But seriously, don’t compare what Jordan has accomplished in bike racing or in my sons case the similiar results he has accomplished in his sport of choise to a bunch of doping cheaters. They work their buts off and if their athletic accomplishments represent or define a large part of their lifes so be it. What fraction of a sports athletes go the the same extremes as Ulrich and other dopers? A tiny fraction of 1 percent I would assume.
Jordan and my son are teamates on LSC and besides their respective athletic acheivments they are also both straight A students and would probably bring in their report cards to define them selves just as much as sports trinket. Or are grades and report cards as self destructive as state championship medals.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 2:17 pm ¶Rich didn’t get it backwards, just overplayed the doping part - the rest of his argument is legit.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 2:20 pm ¶hold up- where does rich compare any specific junior rider to dopers?
You have confused the “yer kids” to “your kids,” it was most likely all kids, as in the generation.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 2:35 pm ¶The main problem with Rich’s statement, is that in most cases the schwag for juniors is something like a waterbottle or an innertube. The Bike Club TT is the best event in the state for prizes and is an anomoly. So I think what Jim was saying was that Juniors prefer medals over left-over inventory that a bike shop is trying to get rid of in the form of prizes…
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 3:28 pm ¶Bingo Skibby.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 4:00 pm ¶Wait till you see the trophies Grumpy’s/LGR will bust out for next year’s races. They will be designed by the Little Guy.
We amazed Jammer with the banquet at our bar, we will amaze him with a trophy.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 4:20 pm ¶It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that in Rich’s POSTS he was very clear who he was directing his statement at.
Skibby and Jimmer are correct, In the couple CX races my son has been lucky enough to win he thankfully excepted the low cost schwag, but he proudly displays the unique wooden Red Barn CX medal.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 4:31 pm ¶I’ll just have to come up with some decent schwag on my own for the kids in addition to the medals.
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 5:59 pm ¶tone- I havnt though about walking off a pier, you know how painful that would be this time a yr?
No you guys, I was trying to say its not all about winning its ’bout having fun!!!! I dont know maby just get rid of prizes U15 and everyone gets a medal. I know when I was that age I could hardly get to a finish line! I mean, you guys never talk about anyone that isnt a stud on hear its all about the superchamps. You wanted to cut cat 5 our of Roy. And it happend because you guys wanted it. I’m just saying its not nice people might feel bad about competing because their not Aric Hareland or bejorn or whatever. I know im not nice all the time but what im trying to do is get the message accross and no one takes it serously unless its controversial. I wasnt trying to single ANYONE OUT!!!
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 7:07 pm ¶“Tman”
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 9:45 pm ¶If I said “kids” and I dont know who your kid is their name or their age and you think Im singling out maby you have a problem I dunno.
You wanted to cut cat 5 our of Roy. And it happend because you guys wanted it
If only I had that much power.
But, the truth is that I actually went to a meeting and others voiced similar opinions, hell even Tone was there.
Perhaps you can carpool down from Duluth with him?
Posted 01 Feb 2008 at 11:50 pm ¶just to join in on the hating of rich…i do
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 8:40 am ¶Now that Rosenberg is in the mix…I’m happy.
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 9:33 am ¶You just made my point Hayes. I was talking to all of them. In Moto GP, they where leathers and padding. In cycling, they wear lycra. Can you see where im coming from?
All I was trying to say is it shouldnt be about winning it should be about the journey along the way:)
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 9:47 am ¶Rich,
Here’s an observation. Your point or opinion is often shadowed by other marginally related references that often have a volatile polarizing effect.
In your last comment you say “all I was trying to say …”. If had been that crystal clear to begin with and if you were not laying down criticism and stereotypes on athletes under the age of 15 you probably wouldn’t be the target of such attacks.
Suggestion: A great rule for all electronic communication - Write it, save it, think about it some more, read it again. If you still think it is the message you want to send then and only then, send it/post it. It will save you a lot of trouble.
To everyone else, if someone posts a comment that is bizarre, distasteful, or inappropriate - ignore it. Adding fuel to the fire only satisfies they’re need to shock. If you’re adding fuel to the fire just to create some drama take it to your personal blog. This is not the venue for personal attacks (except on Frye, Homme, and Hayes).
Peace
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 3:20 pm ¶damn, i do really hate frye , homme, and hayes but not as much as i hate all the rest….ok i stay on topic, hate the bikethrow
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 3:53 pm ¶Much better! Way to go Andrew.
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 5:17 pm ¶Cullen is my 35+ hero! Jordan rocks too.
Great way to put it Hitman, if we could all take your advice the world would be a much better place thanks to bikethrow.com
Where was Rookie anyways, too cold to stand at the bus stop?
Posted 02 Feb 2008 at 5:23 pm ¶It telling people they dont need a pair of Zipp wheels to win a race an attack? Is telling people their not inclusive with ROY a personal attack? Is telling people its not about winning but competing an attack? Or is telling someone they should walk off a pier a personal attack? WTF do you think? Oh im sorry I forgot your systems arnt plugged into reality. If I so much as suggest the truth everyone on this site freaks out like their panties are twisted. Take a long hard look at our sport and take a long hard look at baseball, football, basketball and much much more. It all starts with the way you raise your kids today. Their are countless people that this applies too. “Hitman” Turning this into a public attack against Cullen not only distorts the message I was trying to send it switches the meaning of what I was saying.
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 8:36 am ¶it’s actually about me not liking you, rich… you don’t mess with ‘the family’ no more, capiche
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 2:43 pm ¶Rich’s original point is: if you are in the position to buy carbon wheels for a junior (which is great, honestly), you’re probably not in the position to say juniors don’t need any more socks etc. Title 9 was the one that made the outright offense remark. Why no negative comments about this coward?
And Skibby, I disagree. I don’t know what Rich’s background is, but I didn’t have parents that helped out financially with my athletic endeavors and when I was coming up every little bit helped, socks, gloves, etc..
Frye - why not give advice to Title 9, Tone and Rosenberg? Their comments more off topic and offense.
The rest of you, grown men, you’re going to let Rich rattle you?
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 4:44 pm ¶monty p, i stand behind what i said.
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 6:44 pm ¶sorry, accidentally hit “post” too soon.
why should junior riders have $200 shoes and carbon wheels as prizes for their races? particularly when other categories (other than 1/2) are not looking at prize lists like that. i don’t call that a “prize”, i call it bribery.
don’t get me wrong, i am all about doing everything to help juniors get into the sport. i think it’s a perfectly good use of resources to pay for coaching, run the appropriate race categories and distances for them, even award grants to riders to help defray cost of attending big regional events or national championships. the recent decline of numbers of participating juniors is disappointing and i think it’s worthwhile to do what we can to help more juniors get into the sport. i am sorry your parents were not more supportive of your athletic endeavors, but i certainly do not believe that it is the responsibility of a race promoter to step into that gap and start offering thousands of dollars of schwag to junior categories. if you’ve not noticed - for a long time, it’s the same juniors winning races, week over week - so you’d be making a select few rich with prizes. if a promoter wants to do that, good on them - but i don’t think that expecting that is anywhere near fair, or necessary.
i can see how you might think my initial comment was inflammatory but you have to understand that rich has a history with most of us. i would be far quicker to align myself with the opinions of t. manderfeld and jimmer. they have well-adjusted juniors who race and both have a better sense of the way things really are.
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 6:58 pm ¶Monty,
Tone and Andrew’s cakes are baked. My last paragraph was directed at them. I didn’t see a problem with title ix’s comments.
Here it is another way - If you’ve got a personal axe to grind there are better venues.
Now let’s focus on something more relevant from the podcast like Cullen giving a (dis)y to the OPUS races. What would you suggest Jim? Seriously, maybe it’s time for a change.
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 7:15 pm ¶you’re right ,rosenberg is the problem here
Posted 03 Feb 2008 at 7:19 pm ¶Opus is what it is. I’ve been racing it every year since 1996. Others have been racing there even longer.
It’s one of the longest running series on the calendar, and has stood the test of time against the police, angry drivers, tennants, etc.
Least favorite course does not equal elimination. I’m not a fan of Dakota either. Attendance shows that both of these weekday series are working.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 7:44 am ¶As far as junior racing is concerned, cycling is not a cheap sport. Having the best equipment does not equal a fast rider. It is about their dedication and love for riding and racing. The Bike Club TT has had unbelievable prizes, no doubt. But no other local race compares. Typical shwag consists of baseball caps, t-shirts, socks, and tubes. You can’t make everyone happy, but I’m as close to the MN junior scene as anyone, and trust me. They would rather have a medal or a trophy to remember the race.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 7:51 am ¶A couple of years back at the Avon Race (which I promoted), we gave schwag to the juniors, I could see it in their eyes and was told by parents and Larry Martin later, that juniors PREFER medals. There has only been one Junior since that who I have dealt with who has been unappreciative of medals…
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 8:20 am ¶Leg lamps for everyone.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 8:39 am ¶Re: Monty P’s point that some juniors need help could be addressed by clubs or individuals in cycling. I’d like to see Clubs step up and sponsor any kids who take an interest in cycling. It could be hand me downs or spending a few bucks here or there. Of all the things that Rookie has done, (good/bad) my favorite thing he did was when we had a junior cyclist at the velodrome who SOLD his playstation so he could buy a road bike. This kid was racing on one day licenses because he couldn’t afford an annual. Rookie went around to all of us in the infield and we all threw money in to buy his license. That’s the kind of thing that helps kids. Not giving the winner of a race carbon wheels….
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 9:09 am ¶i love leg lamps… two sided flashlights w/ red in the back, white on the front, battery powered, highly visable and cheap… where are they now?
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 9:10 am ¶Why do P/1/2’s need carbon wheels and frame sets as prizes for a 40k TT? Their already getting bikes from their teams!! Give them more?? They are either: PROS, or a Cat. 1/2 getting a free bike and discounts from their sponsors. Why dont you give the prize lists to who need it. Reward people for staying in our sport instead of pushing them away and giving a tri spoke to Adam Bergman for spanking all the cat 2s in white Bear Lake.
Yeah I would love it if you had the juniors draw numbers and the winner gets a pair of HED Wheels and the cat. 1/2’s can have a gift certificate to Electric Fetus and they can watch the winning juniors get the most expensive time trial equipment possible and applaude. Why do you think their are 5-10 rider fields in the juniors? How many kids are downhill ski racing, how many kids are running track, how many kids are doing….Biathlon!! WTF is biathlon and yet the numbers are better here! You say all the young juniors prefer medals, yeah the 4 riders that are competing!!! Look where the sport is here. Why should the people most likely to quit be given the hardest road to ride?
And “Title IX” If you think I have a history with you, maby you have some mental paranoia, especially taking into account your retarded screen name. If you want a history with me you can stop hiding behind that screen name and tell us who you are because you all know who I am and im not scared to tell you what I think.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 9:22 am ¶Rich, I don’t know who you are but you sure seem angry, cynical an bit paranoid. Just because someone doesn’t agree with your point of view doesn’t mean they hate you or opionion.
By the way I didn’t think you were picking on my kid, In fact I’m pretty sure you have know idea who he is. I was using him as an example of an athlete who’s main sport is far from the universe where lycra clad ego’s get smashed to the pavement.
Now limit your daily red bull intake and enjoy the day.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 1:10 pm ¶By the way rich, I really do like what you said in your second paragraph of your last post.
Posted 04 Feb 2008 at 1:16 pm ¶the number of comments on this thread i think beats the december 22, 2007 bitchfest on smithersmpls(rip) a truly embaressing statistic.
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