The 5th installment of the Tuesday Night Worlds series was a dry but chilly night of racing.
In the Men’s 4 and 5 races a guy won and guys finished 2nd and 3rd.
In the women’s race, a woman won, probably Linda Sone. Women also got 2nd and 3rd.
In the men’s 1/2/3 race Doug Swanson won and made the rest of us vomit in our mouths a little. Jens Brabbitt and Eric Carter were able to get away early with Doug and the field never saw the trio again. No one seemed to notice because guys kept launching ferocious attacks on the prime laps to battle for 4th - sorry but no soup for you! Try a Snickers next time.
Riveting journalism for sure.
Tune in tomorrow for an even more riveting podcast with Hayes, Homme, and Frye. We’ll have reports on the Synergy TT, Frye’s weekly Roadkill Report, the Joe Martin stage race, mountain bike coverage, more in-depth coverage of TNW, TNT, interviews from Collegiate Nationals, previews on the Charity TT, Wheels on Willy, and we’ll look ahead to the Memorial Day weekend of racing in Duluth. Wow! Be sure to block out about an hour on your calendar and label it - “Listening Pleasure”. Hopefully someone with actually bring a microphone this time.
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I don’t get it - why sprint for 4th? Must be the new ninja prime…
Posted 14 May 2008 at 7:57 am ¶Hopefully someone with actually bring a microphone this time.
hopefully not.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 8:12 am ¶(dis)
Tip: Don’t hit play.
Good to see you “racing your way into shape” last night … oh wait.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 8:37 am ¶Frye,
Were you hoping the 3 would lap us so you could sprint for points? People come to race, and that’s what they did.
Jimmer
Posted 14 May 2008 at 8:42 am ¶4th is the new 1st when Doug is up the road.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 8:55 am ¶Jimmer,
Gee, wish I would have know it was a race before, I would have rode my bike more gooder. The funny thing about it was that most did not know they were sprinting for fourth and thought they were scoring points.
I’m all for givin’ it what you got even if you’re out of it. That’s why I gave it my best in the final sprint.
Guess you’re not a fan of self-depricating humor but I did have fun last week in the rain playing with the big boys, despite being two laps down (like the rest of the field). I came to race last week and that’s what I did. Pack fodder like me has to find satisfaction somewhere. A point is a point.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 9:51 am ¶Frye,
It did appear some did not realize people were up the road. Some, myself included, did not care, and chose to continue racing. Your editorial cast those of us who chose to continue racing as stupid. Not the case.
A few years back at Opus, a rider in the 1/2/3 race decided the race was too hard, and sat out a couple laps. Then he decided to rejoin for the last couple laps, and contested and won the final sprint. The rest of the racers didn’t appreciate him much. Last week was different circumstances, but I think the same common sense applies.
Jimmer
Posted 14 May 2008 at 10:22 am ¶I was 4th last night at TNT.. didn’t feel good at all.. but better than the 5th at the dog and synergy tt!!
Posted 14 May 2008 at 10:39 am ¶It’s a training crit. It was evident that some of the usual suspects weren’t there, such as Timmer, Hareland, Zim and the GP boyz. The pack had a lot of Cat 3’s in it last night. I was happy to see the 2 youngsters up there with Doug, good to see some rising youth stars to freshen things up. Next week at Opus there will be Refreshments served by IC3.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 10:47 am ¶Jimmer,
Stupid no, funny yes. Several were joking afterwards that they went for the sprint not realizing it wasn’t for points. It’s akin to going for a sprint a lap too early - kind of a right of passage at Opus.
So if you get lapped at Opus, intentional or not, that’s when you shouldn’t “race”?
I get the sandbagger situation but I stayed out of the way for the most part last week but if they score points for sprints no matter what, this cat 3 is going to try and have fun with four 1s if he can. Never know, some day I might be in a similar situation (not with those four) and not be two laps down.
Common sense or not, it made a miserable night of racing fun for me. No harm and I don’t think I’m any less appreciated by them. I can’t get much lower than I already was.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 10:57 am ¶Ask any of those 4, the next time you see them, what they thought of you jumping in for the sprint. I wouldn’t have been pleased, and I’m on your team.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 11:11 am ¶Really? I talked with them after the race that night and we had a good laugh about it. If they’ve got a different take I’d love to hear it.
The whole night was a joke, guess you had to be there. It was like shooting fish in a barrel and one of the pathetic little fish got a shot off. Appreciate the support! Guess I know where the line is now with you though.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 11:29 am ¶I got lapped last night, I saw Doug and the other 2 come around, it never entered my mind to hop in with those 3. That’s not kosher. In points racing if you are a lap down you can jump in with the main field, but you can’t work with a breakaway or chase. Theoretically you violated the rules.
From USAC rulebook on points racing:
Posted 14 May 2008 at 11:29 am ¶Riders who lose laps may sprint for points only after
being absorbed by the main group prior to the beginning of
the sprint lap. A rider may be considered to be absorbed
when caught by the lead rider in the main group.
Skibbofficial,
In a track event on the road, how do you know how many riders are in the “main” pack? If memory serves me, there were probably four in the second group too. Only 13 started and there were guys blown apart all over the course. Theoretically, how could I know though? Guess that was up to the official, I never received any direction from them.
To complete your rule citation:
Posted 14 May 2008 at 11:46 am ¶2M4. Losing Laps.
Riders may win points regardless of how many laps they have lost.
Frye,
The Grandstay guys are a friendly bunch, and it doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t take issue.
Bottom line, I thought it was “funny” that the guy who kept racing last week, thought it was funny others did the same this week.
Jimmer
Posted 14 May 2008 at 11:49 am ¶ONLY 13 STARTED??!!!
i’ll be there next week shottin fish in the barrell
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:01 pm ¶skibofficial - what’s the rule interpretation on a dropped rider getting a free tow back up to the field from a (solo) rider who is about to lap the field?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:20 pm ¶getting dropped from a field but being able to sit on the strongest guy’s wheel? there’s a rule against that? should be an award..
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:22 pm ¶Yep, only 13 last week. Can I grab your wheel Timmer?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:22 pm ¶Good thing we didn’t have a microphone today.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:23 pm ¶Bout time Sickboy! It must have been agony for you to hold out that long. Careful, you can’t redact your own comments on btdc.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:24 pm ¶Rookie, Bad news is we’ll have two tomorrow.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:29 pm ¶This isn’t as riveting, but in the 5s race two guys got off the front in the first lap and slaughtered the rest of us for the whole race. We were racing for third every sprint. But damn it was fun.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:32 pm ¶“Riders who lose laps may sprint for points only after
being absorbed by the main group prior to the beginning of
the sprint lap. A rider may be considered to be absorbed
when caught by the lead rider in the main group”
Really? I suck and get dropped every race. Does that mean I can sit back and soft pedal trying to get lapped, and then go for points (hahahaha-I’d still get my bum kicked)?
I’ve been trying to find others to work with and get back on, but sounds like that’s poor strategy. No point in working once you’re dropped until the pack catches you again, right? I don’t understand this rule at all-what’s the point?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:49 pm ¶You lose 20 points when you go down a lap. So… sprinting for points is kinda moot since it would be very hard to dig yourself out of that hole.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 12:53 pm ¶all these comments have me disoriented…where am I? Is this Smithers’ blog?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 1:07 pm ¶Ghost, I am equally confused.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 1:10 pm ¶Lynne,
The point is that some feel that Frye is an a**hat. I agree.
Jimmer,
You just keep taking yourself seriously and I’ll keep trying to have fun and piss people off.
The Grandstay guys are a friendly bunch, and it doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t take issue.
“I wouldn’t have been pleased, and I’m on your team.” - Hmmm?
Bottom line, I thought it was “funny” that the guy who kept racing last week, thought it was funny others did the same this week.
The “funny” thing about it was the way those who were mistaken were laughing about it afterwards.
It’s great to hear your opinions about conversations and races that you weren’t apart of. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on how I handled myself with Rookie and Homme this morning. I think I was a little hard on Rookie, he seemed a little upset when he left. Sorry Tim. I know the Haro put a smile back on your face though buddy!
Posted 14 May 2008 at 1:10 pm ¶Bummer, thought BTDC had done a great service to newbies everywhere and inadvently pointed out a loophole.
Kruse, seriously, thanks. I’m too lazy to read the rules and didn’t know you get penalized. I figured the humiliation of being lapped was enough.
All those -20 points I’ve been avoiding racking up by just getting dropped instead of lapped. Whoo-hoo!!!
Posted 14 May 2008 at 1:27 pm ¶frye = thin skin
The main group is the largest group on the track. If
two or more groups are the same size, the leading group shall
be the main group.
Riders who lose contact with the field, and are then
Posted 14 May 2008 at 1:57 pm ¶caught by the leaders, may not lead [disqualification]. Riders
attempting to gain a lap may not accept assistance from
riders who have lost contact with the back of the field. Riders
attempting to gain a lap may work together, but no sacrifice
of a rider’s position to the advantage of another rider shall be
allowed [loss of points or laps that have been illegally
gained].
I conceed Frye. You win. I’m way to serious, as well as wrong. You are right.
Humbly yours,
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:01 pm ¶Jimmer.
You lose 20 points when you go down a lap. So… sprinting for points is kinda moot since it would be very hard to dig yourself out of that hole.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:06 pm ¶Where is that written? All I see is:
Points Format: Sprint every 3 laps, points for top 3 in each sprint (5,3,1) Double points
at finish. In the event of a tie the rider with the highest place in the finish wins.
Poofter, it’s in the USAC rulebook for Points
Races under Track Racing. Since we are running the crit series as a points race, we generally follow the points race rules set by the track, although I don’t know why we score 5,3,1 instead of 5-3-2-1. Maybe next year we should do it that way, that way maybe Frye could get a point…
TNW Race Promoter
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:35 pm ¶Depends on if the officials interpret the rules as only what the promoter advertises - or if they interpret the rules as ‘track event run on the road’ from the USAC rulebook.
Losing 20 points for going down a lap on the field is standard operating procedure on the track. But let’s be realistic here - at Opus if you go down a lap…. you’re not going to be outsprinting anyone for anything, especially in 1/2/3’s….
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:37 pm ¶Jimmer,
I agree and also appreciate your sarcasm, I’m a fan of it too. The point isn’t who’s right or wrong though. I’m sorry if you thought I was ridiculing those who “kept racing” including you (and myself) but you recognized that that was not my intent.
People were joking after the race because they went for points that weren’t available and didn’t know it, myself included. We all had a laugh about it.
I’m all for giving it your all whenever you can, heck we paid 16 bucks to be there.
Think what you will about the 13 man race in the rain last week and my behavior. We raced, we suffered, we tried to have fun, I followed the rules (it appears), and we laughed about it. Do I think I’m some stud because I got 3 points after being 2 laps down? No. You obviously missed the tongue in cheek nature of it all. If the four Grandstay riders who were the only other riders to score any points in the race are pissed off about it I’ll gladly donate my 3 to Koeneman! - That’s an inside joke based on another conversation I had that didn’t include you. Dano, Mean Dawg and Doug will appreciate it though.
Humbly,
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:37 pm ¶Your teammate
I spent the $16 I didn’t spend on a 12 pack of Premium (on special at St. Anthony Liquor) and a 6 pack of Rush River Bubblejack EPA (on special).
Best $16 I have ever spent.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:48 pm ¶In regards to the money I didn’t spend at opus
Posted 14 May 2008 at 2:49 pm ¶Did all that drinking contribute to the microphone situation?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 3:06 pm ¶Oh I hope I can make you proud Skibbmoter.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 3:09 pm ¶just trying to keep it real, surprisingly few people know what a points race is.
St. Anthony Liquor? You were by my house and you didn’t drop by and share any Rush River?
Posted 14 May 2008 at 3:59 pm ¶congrats on spending your money wisely, super rookie!
i know those opus races are expensive, and you do have to keep saving up- otherwise you may find yourself having to move into your moms basement with fiancee and herd o’ cats in tow.
p.s. track rules on the road don’t make sense. not enough roadies race the track.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 7:05 pm ¶p.p.s. fight! fight! fight!
thanks btdc!
Posted 14 May 2008 at 7:07 pm ¶MD 20/20 yum.
Posted 14 May 2008 at 8:26 pm ¶fight? shmight, just looners having fun!
Posted 14 May 2008 at 10:59 pm ¶The controversy on this site is lame.
I spit on you all.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 4:41 am ¶It’s a t..r..a..i..n..i..n..g series. At least that’s what it was meant to be, I thought.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 7:17 am ¶“I spit on you all.”
Posted 15 May 2008 at 7:19 am ¶Your spittle just arrived, CS.
Criterium training sir!
Smithers, your spit smells like espresso. Careful, those French are spitters too you know.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 8:00 am ¶“It’s a t..r..a..i..n..i..n..g series. ”
No.. It’s Tuesday Night Worlds!!!!
If I ever get lapped 2 times I wouldn’t be sprinting for points.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 8:02 am ¶Thanks for that pearl of wisdom Mike.
If you weren’t there, it’s hard to have an opinion. Given different circumstances, like if it really mattered, I wouldn’t have been playing around with the leaders and would have stayed the f out of it.
Basically, the playground bullies were having their way and one of the runts got in a punch and ran away. It was all in good fun. End of story.
50 comments on something that was astonishingly insignificant and irrelevant, wow! Can’t wait to see the comments regarding today’s podcast where we share real opinions about blocking and throw Ruggles under the bus.
Gee, I hope someone posts some more excerpts from the rulebook! Seriously, it would be good to get some clarification. Tune in.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 8:37 am ¶Smithers, your spit smells like espresso. Careful, those French are spitters too you know.
I know this now from first hand experience.
I am learning a bunch of new pack skills here.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 4:43 pm ¶I love roadie pissin’ matches. I rode my single speed mountain bike through several back yards and through drying laundry and proclaim myself a mountain biker. I did get a nice set of sheets out of the deal.
Posted 15 May 2008 at 4:55 pm ¶What’s a ‘roadie’?
Posted 15 May 2008 at 7:54 pm ¶A roadie is someone who schleps equipment for a band…
Posted 15 May 2008 at 9:47 pm ¶Don’t worry Tone Loc…you’re a big time roadie
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