Comments on: The Throwdown: Chip Timing Debut? http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/ Minnesota Cycling News and Gossip Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:21:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Bruce http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5850 Bruce Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:43:04 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5850 Chips, or any other results processing system such as video cameras in conjunction with spreadsheets are only as good as the start lists and data entry. As with any computerized system, garbage in, garbage out. The only real disadvantage chips have to cameras is the lack of visual evidence of close finishes to determine the actual winner based on the position of the front wheel at the finish line. I've gone from being a chip opponent to being "chip neutral." They are pricey, but they do add some value in terms of scoring and results if the initial data entry is accurate. Not sure the benefits outweigh the cost yet, but time will tell. I do know that I'm doing results at too many races this year, so I welcome the competition. Maybe I can get a weekend or two off next year... Chips, or any other results processing system such as video cameras in conjunction with spreadsheets are only as good as the start lists and data entry. As with any computerized system, garbage in, garbage out.

The only real disadvantage chips have to cameras is the lack of visual evidence of close finishes to determine the actual winner based on the position of the front wheel at the finish line.

I’ve gone from being a chip opponent to being “chip neutral.” They are pricey, but they do add some value in terms of scoring and results if the initial data entry is accurate. Not sure the benefits outweigh the cost yet, but time will tell.

I do know that I’m doing results at too many races this year, so I welcome the competition. Maybe I can get a weekend or two off next year…

]]> By: castiron http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5840 castiron Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:36:39 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5840 Thanx Skibby! Thanx Skibby!

]]> By: skibby http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5838 skibby Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:04:36 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5838 cast-iron, click on your name in the results and it will show your time every lap... imho, it's a nice to have, not a need to have... cast-iron, click on your name in the results and it will show your time every lap…

imho, it’s a nice to have, not a need to have…

]]> By: a. kruse http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5837 a. kruse Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:41:12 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5837 H-wood is spot on... screw chips... H-wood is spot on… screw chips…

]]> By: castiron http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5836 castiron Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:52:28 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5836 I think the chip timing is great, but getting me to buy one at the second race I've been in this year out of a dozen or so is asking a bit much. Also, it appears to be different than the one featured at Ken Woods, so do we have two (or more)competing standards in play? Next, I didn't see a full lap count available, only a best lap. This negates a significant portion of the value for individual users. I'll buy a chip, happily, but I need more convincing. LOTS more. Lastly, will this help promoters send results to USAC? THAT needs fixing. I think the chip timing is great, but getting me to buy one at the second race I’ve been in this year out of a dozen or so is asking a bit much.

Also, it appears to be different than the one featured at Ken Woods, so do we have two (or more)competing standards in play?

Next, I didn’t see a full lap count available, only a best lap. This negates a significant portion of the value for individual users.

I’ll buy a chip, happily, but I need more convincing. LOTS more.

Lastly, will this help promoters send results to USAC? THAT needs fixing.

]]> By: THeiser http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5835 THeiser Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:36:55 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5835 I guess you had to call me out, since I called you out on your squeaky brakes. I've never complained about any results done without chips and I won't complain about the results I've gained from my one time experience using the performance enhancing chips. 7th place sounds so much better than what the officials could have come up with. No more nutritional supplements for me I'm saving my money for the chips thats where the real performance gains come from. I guess you had to call me out, since I called you out on your squeaky brakes. I’ve never complained about any results done without chips and I won’t complain about the results I’ve gained from my one time experience using the performance enhancing chips. 7th place sounds so much better than what the officials could have come up with. No more nutritional supplements for me I’m saving my money for the chips thats where the real performance gains come from.

]]> By: H-WooD http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5833 H-WooD Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:30:23 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5833 I was just wondering why the "chip" results differ from the "official" results. Chip timing has a rider in the ladies open in her own class, why? Chip tining has a lapped rider in a very good placing in 1.2.3's why? AMB chipX Timing System claims "Accurate Timing & Scoring" but it looks to me that they are miss leading us. The Officials seem to have it right and the chips don't. If are sport and its competetors actually cared about splits and averages and so on, the chips seem cool, but in this sport I belive how you finish is what counts to most. I personally like the old days of grabbing folks at the finish, give them a piece of paper, and have them right down the numbers, but I know its the future and I think the camer system works pretty darn good, as long as yer number is visible ;) Party On, H-WooD I was just wondering why the “chip” results differ from the “official” results.

Chip timing has a rider in the ladies open in her own class, why?

Chip tining has a lapped rider in a very good placing in 1.2.3’s why?

AMB chipX Timing System claims “Accurate Timing & Scoring” but it looks to me that they are miss leading us.

The Officials seem to have it right and the chips don’t. If are sport and its competetors actually cared about splits and averages and so on, the chips seem cool, but in this sport I belive how you finish is what counts to most.

I personally like the old days of grabbing folks at the finish, give them a piece of paper, and have them right down the numbers, but I know its the future and I think the camer system works pretty darn good, as long as yer number is visible ;)

Party On, H-WooD

]]> By: Lalla http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5831 Lalla Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:32:09 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5831 Chip timing is NOT the future. Chip timing is NOT the future.

]]> By: Tone Coughlin http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5828 Tone Coughlin Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:55:07 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5828 What's the alternative to buying a chip? Do you have to have one to participate? Is it in the USAC Rulebook? What if you are 10 mins off the back and come in solo, seems like it would be worthless to have one. What’s the alternative to buying a chip? Do you have to have one to participate? Is it in the USAC Rulebook? What if you are 10 mins off the back and come in solo, seems like it would be worthless to have one.

]]> By: Hitman http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5826 Hitman Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:10:13 +0000 http://www.bikethrow.com/i/2008/07/07/the-throwdown-chip-timing-debut/#comment-5826 Free Chip Timing Rules!! Free Chip Timing Rules!!

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